Over Population
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Posted by Soliloquy, 17.06.2006 - 19:39
if its a problem, how do we fix it?
i personally think that at the rate the world population is going, we would cause our own judgement day before God planned to. i mean, look at countries like China, and India. sure, their economy is going high, but at the same time, the world pollution is going high. sure china put a limit on thier child birth, and they limited a couple to only have 1 child. if they exceed that limit, they would be paying tons of taxes. India on the other hand doesnt have that limit. its population is almost 1 billion(that is 1 sixth of the world population), and its still sky rocketing.
Kenya's population growth rate is at a 4.6(or was it a 4.8?) percent. what that means is that in the next 16 years, their population would double. and then it would take them 12 years to double that. and then 7 years to double that. Kenya's growth rate is by far, the fastest in the world. and has been the fastest in over the 100 years or so?
what does over population mean to the world? well, for one, the more people there are, the more land they take up. for example, 75% of the kenyan population is living on farmlands. if that wasnt bad enough, countries have to get rid of tons and tons of forests to make room for more people to live. since the government cant keep up with such a big population, people start to take matters in their own hand. they start cutting down woods for fire, or thier stove. and if they are hungry, they start hunting, which is bringing the animal population to a down low as well. and if you look at this in an economic point of veiw, if people start living on farmlands, than the country's government would have to increase their imports just to keep up with the population's demands. and what would happen if the government cant handel that demand? you can only imagine.
just imagine what the world would be like when its population doubles to 12 billion?. people would be fighting for the necsesities needed to live. stuff like water, food, shelter, clothing. and if everyone is cramped together, there would be a huge rise in the diseases(if you know your history, look what happend to athens when they build a wall around their city.). people would be living in their own filth.
and if that wasnt bad enough, if people contine to cut down the trees, then the greenhouse gases would contine to fuck our ozone layer, which would mean that the place would get hotter, and hotter still. is that bad? yes! for starters, the ice caps from the north pole, and south pole will melt. who cares? well, north pole, sure its no actual land, but it is just a huge chunk of floating ice that is around 3 miles deep. (wait..was it 3 or 2 miles deep?) and the ice on south pole is about 3 miles deep. you melt those, and you would get a major flood. the only living lands to survive that would be mountian peeks like mount everest, or those rocky pillars in south america. how can the world population live on those tiny islands? well, they cant. first reason being that it would be so close to the sun, that it would be series of heat strokes. on top of that, man cant survive with ocean water. but then again, our ocean water has been polluted. and we have killed about i think 75% of the fish that lived near coastal areas. so really, we cant live.
and if you think that that wont happen, or its impossible to happen....well they say(discovery channel. you gotta love it!) that the jungel as thick as the amazons has been loosing trees every day. people have been clearing about 1 to 1 and a half lenghts of football fields in trees alone. and with the african and indian population sky rocketing, their forests would be chopped down soon.
a cure? a solution? what, put a manditory ban on couples world wide? that wont work becuase a lot of third world countries need more than one child in the family to either work on the famrs, in facotires, or look after diseased family members. and on top of that, those families alose loose tons of kids becuase of diseases. on top of that, even if we were to put that limit on them, it wont work. reason ebing that people just dont listen.
sow hat is the cure to stop this from happening? shut down all the factories? people are money hungry. that wont happen. im sure someone like billgates can buy a country if he pleases. so that wont work
a war? creat a holocaust to sacrifice all the people in the world? humm...that would be WAY to ethical. and that would also cuase a huge riot, and racism would be on the rise becuase people would say 'who to kill?' anarchy would break down on the streets. no, anarchy is not a good thing becuase it would be that everyman is his own government. it just wont work...
so is over population a serious delema that people should worry about? is there soemthing that can be done to stop it? what should happen? your views and opinions
| Twilight IntepridTraveler Posts: 1178  |
Written by Ragana on 26.08.2011 at 21:34 I'm not saying we are living on one now. But if the growth of world population continues with this pace it will be quite dramatic in one hundred years or so. And living on an overcrowded planet doesn't mean that there's literally no single space left. There should still be room for other things. Human beings desire more things than a roof over their heads, food, shops and a job... What about parks, nature, and other kinds of relaxation. Can you imagine we would transform the whole of Siberia into one huge metropolis? No, that just would never work. We should realize that we're not responsible for how the planet's doing, we're responsible of how we ourselves are doing. And I don't think we will last very long if we multiply and multiply and fill up every spot with some kind of human construction.
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| Yavanna Posts: 616  |
Ok, Something I read on someone else's facebook (and posted in mine too) The optimists say that soon will be eating s**t... and the pessimists say that there will be no s**t enough for everybody Well, I am with the pessimist that think that there will not be enought s**t for everybody, because there is too much people over this planet, and people should stop having children, otherwise there will be no room/food/water for all ot them... that's what I think
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| Ragana Rawrcat Posts: 4919  |
Written by Twilight on 26.08.2011 at 21:48 well of course not, I'm not saying that we should move to Sahara just because it's empty or that polar bears in Arctic are desperate for some company, but we should stop migrating so much and/or at least give birth to a normal (depending on every country's needs) count of children. and it doesn't mean that people should move to Siberia and build skyscrapers, there are plenty of normal countries that simply are emptying.
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| Glaucus Posts: 92  |
Written by Twilight on 26.08.2011 at 21:25 Sorry, I am breaking up your post a lot, haha. Birth control would be the simplest solution, yes. With what I posted before I was aiming for a more 'natural' solution. Since people will be offended if they were told to regulate how much they reproduce. Religion definitely is a factor, but I believe that such a thing is 'bigger' than religious edict. For one thing, reproduction is programmed into our genes (I don't have proof of this, just the conclusion I have after reading various articles over the years). The drive to have sex is controlled by the same part of the brain that tells us that we are hungry or thirsty. That 'almost' makes sex a 'need', rather than a 'want'. But, the real point that I am trying to say is that reducing the right to reproduce would not be accepted by people readily, because it is just that, a human right. Then again, perhaps we can learn from China whom put a limit on the number of off spring that a family can bear, with prohibitions on the gender of the child even! I remember when that story reached the United States it shocked and sickened very many people, but to the Chinese it was absolutely necessary since having any more people than what they already have would have been debilitating to the state. In all, I do agree with you, Twilight. I am just saying that it would take a great deal of convincing for people to accept putting a limit on their right to reproduce.
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| Slayer666 Posts: 2466  |
Written by Glaucus on 26.08.2011 at 17:41 So, you're saying we need a lot more wars with far greater casualties? Finally, a man that speaks some sense! I'm so tired of all that hippie rabble preaching against nuclear warfare and what not.
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| R'Vannith ghedengi Elite Posts: 3099  |
Can't see how 'birth control' could possibly work, it's not like we can just say "Oh sorry everyone we're full up, please stop what your doing" and expect universal compliance.
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| Glaucus Posts: 92 |
Written by Slayer666 on 27.08.2011 at 11:11 Haha, you're intense man. 'If' we wanted to stem over population, then yes, catastrophic wars 'would' be an answer. But, I wouldn't agree with that, there should be a better answer than arbitrarily killing each other. 
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| Yavanna Posts: 616 |
Written by Glaucus on 30.08.2011 at 17:04 Well, I am sorry to say that there is no better solution 
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| Twilight IntepridTraveler Posts: 1178 |
Written by R'Vannith on 27.08.2011 at 16:52 Well of course it won't always work, it's still just a law, and laws can be broken. But in China it seems to work out pretty well, even though it sometimes happens that a family gets more children than one. Either by accident or for some other reason. I don't really know what kind of consequences there are for families that get more than one kid. When it comes to China it wouldn't surprise me if it's quite nasty. But it can also be solved in other ways, adoption for example. And with 'birth control' I don't mean that everyone should stop having children all of a sudden. With some common sense everyone can figure out that that just would never work. Not everyone shares this belief that humanity should stop reproducing at the alarming rate we're doing it now(, for Christ's sake).  Thing is that there really will not be another option once we get to the point were countries really can't support much more people, that can be figured out in many ways by politicians and with some nice use of maths. So yeah, in the end we won't really have a choice (apart from killing each other off, but I don't think that will get a lot of support). And I'm not a law-maker or politician, so I really don't know how this law and all of its details will be constructed.
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| R'Vannith ghedengi Elite Posts: 3099 |
Written by Twilight on 31.08.2011 at 12:48 I suppose it might be enforceable on the local level, and particularly useful in areas where population growth is increasing the most rapidly. But yeah, as you said, it's difficult to make in work entirely in any case, even for law-makers.
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| Glaucus Posts: 92 |
Thought that this would be an interesting link >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_growth_rate Living in the United States, I checked that rank first, seeing it as 131 as according to the United Nations list... I suspected that the nations of Africa would have the biggest population growth, since those states are rife with civil conflict, and rape is widespread and weaponized. Would it be interesting to consider if whether or not 'Westernizing' those nations would stem their population growth? Or is that veering off topic?
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| Anthem Posts: 674  |
A simple antedote... I was in college in the early eighties and my sociology teacher was telling us the world would be unable to feed itself in 50 yrs. Here I am 30 years later and there is NO real issue with world population. Science and technology, have eliminated the big leftist scare. The growth in farming and food production have solved many of these issue.
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| Twilight IntepridTraveler Posts: 1178 |
Lol, no real issue with world population. Maybe in the USA there isn't no. I see Ayn Rand in your user icon, that explains a lot, really...
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| Troy Killjoy perfunctionist Staff Posts: 21306  |
7 billion people. That is 7 billion fucking problems if you ask me. Of course we're overpopulated, but only regionally. Just compare Canada and Japan if you don't understand the problem.
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| Vikingr Posts: 179  |
We could always blow up the worlds least favorite country and even it out a little, though I won't name a country off since I'd rather avoid some horrible argument 
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| -DC-002- Mastercommander Posts: 1703  |
People have built ourselves up un-naturaly with regards to population and food production, The birth rate has to be controlled, we'd have to all willingly undertake it as a responsibility for it to even make a difference. A lot of people are going to die in the relative future if we don't curb our population, among many other things.
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| vezzy Stallmanite Posts: 3493  |
Overpopulation is a myth invented by the Illuminati to support the globalist agenda and motivate their eugenics program. Granted, that's kind of overstating it, but it is partly true.
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| Troy Killjoy perfunctionist Staff Posts: 21306 |
Written by [user id=2084] on 26.04.2012 at 18:49 The Illuminati reference should've given it away.
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| Troy Killjoy perfunctionist Staff Posts: 21306 |
Written by [user id=2084] on 26.04.2012 at 21:45 Exactly. Science has already proven the Earth can't handle seven billion people for very long, and it's only logical to assume that without any Hitler-esque genocides, world wars, or extreme natural disasters, that the population will only continue to grow.
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| Troy Killjoy perfunctionist Staff Posts: 21306 |
Written by [user id=2084] on 26.04.2012 at 21:59 That's what I mean. People are dying by the hundreds in these instances, not millions. We haven't had a serious pandemic since 1918. Even with the war on terror you're looking at maybe a million casualties - a number that includes members of military as well as civilians.
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Written by [user id=2084] on 26.04.2012 at 22:13 Exactly (again). We're doing everything we can to prolong life to the point people are just waiting around to fuckin' die. Next stop, immortality?
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| Troy Killjoy perfunctionist Staff Posts: 21306 |
Written by [user id=2084] on 26.04.2012 at 22:35 I honestly wouldn't be surprised, although we'd have to go through a few more wars first. If we can't all get along down here, could you imagine trying to sort us all into spaceships and expect everyone to get along happily? Chances are the most heavily populated countries would pretty much wipe out all the lesser population regions and fight it out amongst each other to assume the role of "master race". Well... actually the races might all stick together regardless of country, which would be terrible for the States. Blacks with blacks, Indians with Indians, etc. Regardless of how it would work out, a ton of blood would need to be shed in order for there to be any chance of peaceful living in space after we mess up the planet bad enough.
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| AngelofDeth Cyborg Raptor Posts: 1183  |
Im glad people are talking about this, it is a HUGE issue and no one ever seems to bring it up in the political arena, except China. Genocides, no that should never be an option. I think the solution is worldwide birthlaws. it should be illegal to have more than one child per 2parents (a couple) and something like taxbreaks should be given to couples that decide to have Zero children. The problem is humanities innate urge to reproduce, both physically through sex and physiologically to nurture offspring. If birthbans occured people would get terribly upset and claim Human Right violations which is why no one really talks about it. So I find it very unlikely it will occur relatively soon. unfortunate...
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