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Posted by EddieGunner, 23.05.2006 - 17:36
well i wanna see what do u think why Democracy is good, offcours if u think that Democracy is good for our countrys for people.
Well i hope im not the only one here that don't agree with democratic system, for Democracy is alsmot same as any otehr system that gives ppl freedom
but one thing i really dislike in this syste are Elctions, how can u count vote fo some doctor, some inginier or some magister same as vote of some village man whos knows shit about politic, and knows nothing about anythign that ain't related wiht hes work at village
and also they count vote os man who dunno how to read or how to wrrite same as vote of doctors and inginiers and learned ppl

whats youre opinion about this
04.06.2007 - 00:06
Nazeef
Democracy is somehow like drugs, anasthesia for the eternal human open wound of Bloodthirst and being Prediator to one another.
Democracy, since it is fake; many symptoms of putrefaction and mutation appeared within the political experiments...
We have a Democracy raped since Elections (cheating).
We have a Democracy raped just after the Elections (lying on pitiful people).
We have a Democracy raped before the Elections (brain washing of the very pitiful people).

The theory says: "we are bastards striving for power and for being the fittest to reign the world and to walk on the skeletons of the unfittest ones"
OK!!! that's enough> and so, Democracy (theorically) calls for equality, respect of the citizen.. and since the governor is Human!!!! oh...all these tricks are no more available that's quiet easy!!

Democracy is like painting white on black...It turns into grey. Never to defy the essence of your life, a prediator still forever a prediator, don't ask Wildness to be tolerant, don't ask mountains to be smooth, don't as lions to eat bushes!! Alright?!
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31.08.2007 - 15:46
Skeggjadr
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Here is a quote by Herman Goering who was commander of the Luftwaffe (German airforce) during world war 2:

"Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

Here is another quote I found by a bloke called Alan Corenk (I have no idea who he is):

"Democracy consists of choosing your dictators, after they've told you what you think it is you want to hear."

Two very accurate statements. You only need to look at the most obvious and recent example of the UK and USA going to war with Iraq. Ok so the part about denouncing the pacifists isn't really relevant today (I suppose it is for Bush because he says things like that) but the point is still the same: the leaders got what they wanted. Although I do think Tony Blair is a very genuine and good hearted guy. But I also think it's very difficult being a politician these days. I mean, a thousand years ago you had a King or an Emperor who had ABSOLUTE power. But now the world is a very different place and it's just too complicated for a democratic government to really achieve what it sets out to do, no matter how good it's intentions are. You have all these different people in charge of different things and then there's oppossition parties etc. and then of course no one can really say what they mean becuase of political correct-ness (which I hate). Anyway I was gonna add more to this but I've gotta go now so... I hope this made sense.
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01.09.2007 - 07:31
Anthem
I have noticed that none of you have addressed my assertion that democratic nations out perform statist ones. As an example i have given you

East and West Germany who is more prospurous
North and south Vietnamn
North and south Korea
China and Tiawan
Mexico and america
etc......

All the wishful thinking in the world will not change the FACT that western civ ie, capitalism fares better than any statist nation

Have I any takers in the capitalist challenge???? show me thy nation??
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07.09.2007 - 20:55
Pinusar
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I think that the capitalistic countries are richer because, firstly, the ones that you listed being supposedly communistic, actually weren't these were far from communist ideals, but these were in most cases just dictatorships like any others and most of the resources there were wasted on war, and as dictators are rarely actually concerned with the well-being of the people, then it is no wonder that they were poorer.

Anyway, the resources on earth are not unlimited, so even if all adopted capitalistic systems, not all would be rich, there would still be very rich and very poor(like now). It is just a question how the wealth will divide. It is not possible to make all live in abundance. It is probably a question of how one sees the fair situation would look like in the world.
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20.05.2008 - 10:06
Aei Ontos
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" A democracy that needs to be defended is no democracy. "
Not true, the point is that democracy is not defended enough. If the democracy is not defended, it will die and a dictatorship will replace it. The democratic system is far from perfect, and the USA is even a example of the worst. But all goverment is the work of men, and it will go wrong, and when people vote, and they can misvote there can be a goverment that is not wanted in fact. And if a goverment is chosen, a goverment can turn in something bad, how do you know what their plans are?
And, to give situation of a democracy that made only worse, in Irak there was a dictator and most people lived calm without having to risk their lives (though much went wrong), but now noane is save anymore, since there is "democracy." I don't know who is happy for it, but I'm sure it is not all.
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22.05.2008 - 09:37
Nycto
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I'm not sure if this point has been made already or not, but the United States is not a democracy to begin with. I don't think any true democracies exist. The United States is, technically speaking, a constitutionally-based federal republic with a strong democratic tradition. Democracy itself is really an unfeasible idea in such a big country. The fact that the Americans elect their representatives to speak for them, that is not democracy. Democracy is, quite literally, one man, one vote.
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23.05.2008 - 21:03
Aei Ontos
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There is no true democracy. But some of the so-called democratic ideas are in the US lawsystem. The Netherlands, for example, are more democtratic, but a perfect democracy? Not really. It is good living here, but, well, it can easily be better.
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23.05.2008 - 23:40
Freezer
I think that democracy is indeed the "best" government, if carried out decently. Surely it's better than a theocracy or a dictatorship, obviously it has problems, but at least it allows you to differ (or, it should allow you to). As an Italian, I can talk for an hour about our political problems, but it could be way worse.
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24.05.2008 - 04:21
Hrothdane
Written by Anthem on 01.09.2007 at 07:31

I have noticed that none of you have addressed my assertion that democratic nations out perform statist ones. As an example i have given you

East and West Germany who is more prospurous
North and south Vietnamn
North and south Korea
China and Tiawan
Mexico and america
etc......

All the wishful thinking in the world will not change the FACT that western civ ie, capitalism fares better than any statist nation

Have I any takers in the capitalist challenge???? show me thy nation??


Three points:

1. Just because someone doesn't like capitalism doesn't mean that they think we should make Das Kapital our bible.
2. In pretty much every one of your examples, communism and socialism was used as a convenient excuse to get people to give everything they had to a corrupt, totalitarian regime. East Germany for example was essentially a police state controlled by the corrupt soviet union in every way, which didn't even care the slightest about the East Germans.
3. If an Athenian from the Athenian Golden Age was to ask you to to find a better country than his own that had existed or currently existed, what would you say? Just because a country may not exist right now that is "better" than the US doesn't mean one couldn't in the future.
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24.05.2008 - 05:48
Lowelas OF FIRE
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in the first post it's asked how can you count vote for an illiterate motherfvcker, well what must you do then? DISALLOW their vote?
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24.05.2008 - 21:26
Nycto
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The problem is, the actual implementation of the idea is different from the theory from which it is based. There is nothing that says dictators must be corrupt, hence the notion of a benevolent dictator. Soviet Russia was not truly a Marxist state, and Red China practices Capitalism as well as, if not better, than the United States. The point I'm trying to make is that arguing if a particular political theory is better than another one is essentially baseless conjecture. Socialism under Hugo Chavez is different than socialism under Schroeder. "Democracy" under Bush is different than "democracy" under Brown or Sarkozy or whomever else.

Essentially, you have to pick a context in which you are going to argue; social, economic, political, etc. At which point, you can ask, economically speaking, which is better, fascism under Mussolini or socialism as practiced by Salvador Allende?

Simply asking if democracy is better or worse than some other political system is a an endless debate with no answer though.
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25.05.2008 - 00:14
Nighthowls
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Written by Anthem on 02.09.2006 at 06:53

The examples that prove Democracy (ie tied to some form of capitalism) is a more just form of govt are self evident. Whether Tiawan vs China
East West Germany, North South Korea, or any other place on gods green earth, men that have more freedom live better lives.
It is not to say democracy is perfect because mens hearts are evil in every language and country. We just have the legal ability to vote them out.

Take the americas as a continent. Why is The united states more proporous thatn say Canada or Mexico. they all have simular and abundant
natural recources. TWO WORDS...."PROPERTY RIGHTS". Mexicos govt is corrupt and keeps the majority of its people poor to serve its upper class.
Canada is my neigbor and they are good people but its govt is partially social in nature and it prohibits its full potential.

As men you are all free to live where you choose and if you choose to live under oppressive govts, so be it. Just dont cry when your oppression
causes you pain.

I shall ask one quesion. I suspect the answers ill get but ask it anyway.

Imagine the world losing a single nation.....gone in an instant vanished??????

What single country lost to the world would create the most negative global action. This question by no means is an indictment on the people of any nation

If the world lost say -- Cuba -- Would the globe be in disarray? If North Korea disappered would the world be LESS stable?? I say not
Would the world be less stable without Brazil, Canada, Iran, etc.

I say all this to point out one thing. The United states through all its faults, and it has many.....remains true to one fact. It benafits man.
It benifits men all over the globe. Democracy has allowed this nation to gain wealth through hard work and freedom. We may be asses at
times but all we want for our fellow men all over the globe is to enjoy the same freedoms we have. I peronally would love to see the whole
world have a giant patyycake session and kiss and hug. Unfortunatel it isnt so. Someone has to assist in the policing.

lastly I thank God and good fortune for having been born here in gods greates nation. And in my own small circle of life if i make one persons
life better each day, I have done my work.



Come on man, No need to lie The US is not more Properous than Canada. Those Fuckers don't even lock their doors. One thing I do agree with you is the fact that Mexico's gov't is corrupt. No More than the US though. The Mexican Government doesn't interfere with the people unless there is a natural disaster. As for the US well The cops are always on our asses trying to fuck us over, well at least In LA and Seattle anyway. "As men you are all free to live where you choose and if you choose to live under oppressive govts, so be it. Just dont cry when your oppression
causes you pain. " Why do you choose to live here then? Don't ask me that cause I'm leaving next sunday for good. I can't stand the stupidity and ignorance of the American people. This government is Probably the worst in the world. Simply because its deceitful and does everything behind the people's back. AT least In most other countries the government has the balls to tell and show the people what they are gonna do. Not that I approve of any harm they do, but at least they don't live a lie. "What single country lost to the world would create the most negative global action." In what sense? Well I think any Nation that part of The UN would be a great loss to all. Just because how intertwined and interdependent our economies have become over the last century. "he United states through all its faults, and it has many.....remains true to one fact. It benafits man.
It benifits men all over the globe" Well like I said all nations depend on each other nowadays for economical reasons,but The US is no more needed than most others. Look at our economy now, we're on the verge of not being a Superpower because our Crude crisis, and our military is decreasing significantly every year. The Armed Forces have had to drop their standards just so more people can qualify, so even our National Security is being affected. "Democracy has allowed this nation to gain wealth through hard work and freedom" No not democracy, but as a good friend taught me capitalism which has nothing to do with Democracy. There are other countries out there that are democratic as well and not Capitalist. "We may be asses at
times but all we want for our fellow men all over the globe is to enjoy the same freedoms we have." I agree with that, but the way we try to do it is wrong. don't ask me how, but I'm positive there are other ways than going in and invading countries. because we consider ourselves The World Police we have so many problems. First lets address our problems here then worry about everyone else. For instance Our Economy, The growing Gang violence etc. That's cool that you are patriotic, but i would like for you to see the Truth and whats really going on. How are we the greatest nation when third World countries have Universal healthcare and we don't. That's something morally wrong with this country. Just my opinion, but i think you need to join the Army or Marines so you can see the truth. Tell me do you know why we're in Iraq? I served and I still don't know, and they won't tell you why either they just say its your job and if you don't do it you end up in prison. No explanations. Seriously think about it, and Then write me.
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25.05.2008 - 00:15
Nighthowls
Paratrooper
Written by akatana on 02.09.2006 at 18:17

thank god as much as you want but read the book I told you about .. it is quite interesting ... actually people are not happier in a capitalist state. and by the way how is the usa the greatest country when all you do is import people to work for you and you live 46 million american citizens without health-care? Cuba has better standards than you. If you refer to economic wealth then usa is the most prosperous but where does the wealth go ? 20 % of americans own 80% of the wealth.



TAKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my friend you know whats up teach them PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they need your knowledge.
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25.05.2008 - 00:21
Nighthowls
Paratrooper
I know you're in your right to state your opinion, but Please stop backing the US without knowing facts dont make us look stupider than the rest of the world already thinks we are. In fact we are Stupid Because WE WONT RISE AGAINST THE SYSTEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! until we have the balls to do so as a people we are nothing but stupid and ignorant
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25.05.2008 - 15:20
Aei Ontos
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Written by Nighthowls on 25.05.2008 at 00:21

I know you're in your right to state your opinion, but Please stop backing the US without knowing facts dont make us look stupider than the rest of the world already thinks we are. In fact we are Stupid Because WE WONT RISE AGAINST THE SYSTEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! until we have the balls to do so as a people we are nothing but stupid and ignorant

You excactly got the point with democracy. All can have the balls to rise against the system, but one person does not really have the power to change anyrhing at all. Democracy often means a lot of bleating but only few whool, I don't know how it is said in other countries, but, there are just not enough real actions. Sometimes I think a dictatorship is better, than some real changes can be made.
In many things the US is pretty ok I think, of course it can be critized, but, is there any country that cannot be criticized?
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26.05.2008 - 06:39
Nighthowls
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Written by [user id=30512] on 25.05.2008 at 15:20

Written by Nighthowls on 25.05.2008 at 00:21

I know you're in your right to state your opinion, but Please stop backing the US without knowing facts dont make us look stupider than the rest of the world already thinks we are. In fact we are Stupid Because WE WONT RISE AGAINST THE SYSTEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! until we have the balls to do so as a people we are nothing but stupid and ignorant

You excactly got the point with democracy. All can have the balls to rise against the system, but one person does not really have the power to change anyrhing at all. Democracy often means a lot of bleating but only few whool, I don't know how it is said in other countries, but, there are just not enough real actions. Sometimes I think a dictatorship is better, than some real changes can be made.
In many things the US is pretty ok I think, of course it can be critized, but, is there any country that cannot be criticized?



I'm glad to see someone agrees with me, or share's similar thoughts. I just hate how Americans "well most" they just don't give a fuck about anyone else, but themselves for the most part. I mean that as a people. You get me? Yeah I'd like to make a change for my country, but I don't have any influence so no one listens to me. They think I'm just some dumb outcast metalhead kid, yet I know the truth. I agree with Taka my country pretty much is a Totalitarian State. Yeah, but like you said I alone cant change things, and that sucks and I guess angers me cause its right in our faces, but people our age are more concerned with fucking or keeping up with what or Who Paris Hilton is Sleeping with. "at least here anyway" . "a lot of bleating but only few whool" Yeah not too many people care. They're too preoccupied with their lives. Its sad really. See like that one guy He's all brainwashed "Bluescaponne ", not to say I wasn't at one time,but I know better now and I'm open minded and open for new ideas, comments, criticism, etc. Ironically I learned most of this in The Army go figure huh? My Sargent never fed me any Bullshit and always told me what was really Up. True, lets take Cuba for example, Fidel Castro although being a Dictator he was loved and still is By The Cubans. What he did was amazing, and that's why the US hates him. Cause The US lost profits and interest there, but Cuba was better off and still is without The US. They even have better Healthcare than us. So yeah I agree with you. Personally I believe in a Socialist system, Thats ideal in my mind. Ummm The US Ok, No man, You would need to live here to really know. We have too much Police brutality, Gang Violence, The State just abusing its power, Shadowy stuff going on in the military too. I just hate how they see and make the people look stupid, and we probably are like I said, well not me cause I know whats up, but people wont listen to me. Appearances can be deceiving, something my country has yet to understand. Man I'm just really disappointed in how far we have strayed from our Founding Fathers Intentions, Till next time.
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28.07.2008 - 08:59
Toast
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All the governments of the world, whether they are capatalist, communist, or dictatorships want the same things. Controll of their people and a cash flow. Governments like America's just use the media to manipulate and brainwash the population, while dictatorships choose to rule by fear. Both ways, the people are controlled, and in some circumstances money is made so it's all the same stuff.
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29.07.2008 - 00:10
Torelli
Written by [user id=34045] on 28.07.2008 at 08:59

All the governments of the world, whether they are capatalist, communist, or dictatorships want the same things. Controll of their people and a cash flow.


Well, a certain level of controll is necacerry to keep the society intact. Without it, we will sucumb to mere hunters and gathers. And it's kind of obvious that they want our money and making profit, but that doesn't necacerry need to be a bad thing. Without money, you can't build buildings, starting companies(making jobs), have social securities(like state hospitals or public schools) or advance in science. All ideologies have their flaws, but anarchism is simpley not possible if we want to envolve further and still protect the people. Unfortunaly, the state is a necacerry evil.


However, given that all ideologies have their flaws, they also have thier benifites. I think in order for a society to devolp, you'll need a political climate that are constantly changing. This is aspecially true in a democracy, has the ruling goverment need to try harder to keep the voters, while the opposition need to come up with new ideas in order to convince the voters. Thus new ideas are born, driving the society further while the citizens graduatly is getting it better. Of course, democracy is not perfect as their are plenty of ways to cheat the system, both by the goverment and the citizens themselves, but so far it's the best we've got.
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29.07.2008 - 02:28
Toast
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Written by Torelli on 29.07.2008 at 00:10

Written by [user id=34045] on 28.07.2008 at 08:59

All the governments of the world, whether they are capatalist, communist, or dictatorships want the same things. Controll of their people and a cash flow.


Well, a certain level of controll is necacerry to keep the society intact. Without it, we will sucumb to mere hunters and gathers. And it's kind of obvious that they want our money and making profit, but that doesn't necacerry need to be a bad thing. Without money, you can't build buildings, starting companies(making jobs), have social securities(like state hospitals or public schools) or advance in science. All ideologies have their flaws, but anarchism is simpley not possible if we want to envolve further and still protect the people. Unfortunaly, the state is a necacerry evil.


Of course some controll is needed, but today most Democracies take it too far. In North America they use the media to completely twist what people think and shove propoganda in our heads. Before the war in Iraq started, the American media and government manipulated people so well that the general population WANTED war in Iraq...and there was absolutely 0 reason to go there.

Sure America made money from the oil, established a base, and Americans were made to hate the middle east which in turn united/controlled them, but is manipulation on such a mass scale worth that? This doesn't just happen in Democracies though, imo all powerful governments fail because "power corruptts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely".
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29.07.2008 - 20:46
Torelli
Written by [user id=34045] on 29.07.2008 at 02:28

Written by Torelli on 29.07.2008 at 00:10

Written by [user id=34045] on 28.07.2008 at 08:59

All the governments of the world, whether they are capatalist, communist, or dictatorships want the same things. Controll of their people and a cash flow.


Well, a certain level of controll is necacerry to keep the society intact. Without it, we will sucumb to mere hunters and gathers. And it's kind of obvious that they want our money and making profit, but that doesn't necacerry need to be a bad thing. Without money, you can't build buildings, starting companies(making jobs), have social securities(like state hospitals or public schools) or advance in science. All ideologies have their flaws, but anarchism is simpley not possible if we want to envolve further and still protect the people. Unfortunaly, the state is a necacerry evil.


Of course some controll is needed, but today most Democracies take it too far. In North America they use the media to completely twist what people think and shove propoganda in our heads. Before the war in Iraq started, the American media and government manipulated people so well that the general population WANTED war in Iraq...and there was absolutely 0 reason to go there.


There's were the critical thinking comes in, unfortunaly the americans seems to have lost that ability. I can't think of any (democratic) land that need changes so badly as the US need now... Personaly, I would like to get rid of those electronical votes, reduce the power of the president and making way for more parties in the the goverment, not just the republicans and the democrates.
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29.07.2008 - 22:20
Southern Wind
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K7: I don't know if is that what you wanted to say, but... USA's mistake is that the presidents are elected by the people? that's certainly an "interesting" view on democracy by you.

Democracy doesn't necessarily works by allowing the election of the best candidate, but it's a pretty secure system to throw out bad governments. I don't consider democracy an ultimate goal, it's useless to think than in any case a democratily elected president will be better than a dictatorship, as history has proven than the later is also possible, but democracy should still be preferable in any case. It is clear than a country's people are usually not understood enough in politics to consider all the factors with cold blood before they vote, but every "people" (understood in its social meaning) in the world is able to know when their actual government or governing party is doing things wrong and it should be changed. Ask the Zimbabweans, Argentinians or Cubans about this.
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30.07.2008 - 13:53
Macedonia
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Democracy is only a word. Lot of country in the world are declareting as democratic but they dont show that in real. who need democracy if you can not say who are you and if you dont have all the human fights?
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31.07.2008 - 16:44
EddieGunner
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Written by [user id=33097] on 30.07.2008 at 13:53

Democracy is only a word. Lot of country in the world are declareting as democratic but they dont show that in real. who need democracy if you can not say who are you and if you dont have all the human fights?

yeah DDR deautchland democratic repblic, democratic my ass
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23.11.2009 - 09:12
Well if you look at our 'democracies' today none really qualify as purely 'living by the people.' The way it was initially invented by the ancient greeks everyone took part (and wanted to take part) in running the state. There are many reasons why that won't work in today's society.

Personally I think that the main flaw is politicians themselves (obviously I'm generalizing here). Vast majority only look to further their own career. Parties formulate their views on an issue based on what they think will keep them in power, not based on what they truly believe, or what is most beneficial to the people. I almost feel as if the system could be improved by replacing politicians with part-time unpaid volunteers.

No offense is intended toward politicians - like i said i'm generalizing, mainly based on my own experiences with politicians in NZ. If any of you lot are reading this, sort it out. Essentially I have zero faith in you.

Also agree with EddieGunner and Macedonia above. Our Govt has recently ignored three referendums to change laws. in each of these referenda, 80% of people voted in favour of changing the law. There was a protest against this behaviour the other day. Guess how the Govt reacted. Love 'em.
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22.03.2010 - 05:14
Valaskjalf
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Written by Entropic Silence on 23.11.2009 at 09:12

Well if you look at our 'democracies' today none really qualify as purely 'living by the people.' The way it was initially invented by the ancient greeks everyone took part (and wanted to take part) in running the state. There are many reasons why that won't work in today's society.

Personally I think that the main flaw is politicians themselves (obviously I'm generalizing here). Vast majority only look to further their own career. Parties formulate their views on an issue based on what they think will keep them in power, not based on what they truly believe, or what is most beneficial to the people. I almost feel as if the system could be improved by replacing politicians with part-time unpaid volunteers.

No offense is intended toward politicians - like i said i'm generalizing, mainly based on my own experiences with politicians in NZ. If any of you lot are reading this, sort it out. Essentially I have zero faith in you.

Also agree with EddieGunner and Macedonia above. Our Govt has recently ignored three referendums to change laws. in each of these referenda, 80% of people voted in favour of changing the law. There was a protest against this behaviour the other day. Guess how the Govt reacted. Love 'em.


Agreed. I can relate to your comments completely as its the same here in South Africa. We are actually in seriously deep shit at the moment (white people in general), with the ruling party in the government preying on the votes of the uninformed/uneducated masses. They make little effort to improve the educational system because they know if their followers gain any insight whatsoever they will lose their majority votes.

In cases like these I really dont think Democracy is the answer. Whatever its SUPPOSED to be, it isnt democracy when 70% of your country is ill-informed and swept up in propaganda. There has been pleas to bring back the death-penalty to our country with the savage killings of farmers across the board....these killings mostly taking place due to a certain corrupt individual in the ruling party publicly encouraging the masses to go out and kill the whites.

Its really a desperately crap situation...and I really feel that this so-called twisted Democracy is what is killing our country.
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22.03.2010 - 08:54
Ellrohir
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So...what do you suggest?
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23.04.2010 - 16:01
Zombie
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Democracy is good for the guarantee of human rights, and to ensure that the governments will always work in favor of the public, s they were brought into office by the public, and they can -easily- lose their position if they dont go by the public's will ..

however, some the democratic system is deeply flawed too, as it gives power to wealthy business through means of monopoly, while ideally a democratic government should ensure that "all people are equal" ... the democratic government lets large businesses take over small ones, and you end up with a country being owned by a few rich motherfuckers (USA being a case). while, in communist type of government for example that would not be an issue, as the government OWNS all the businesses (which means that the PEOPLE own the businesses).. so, economically, communism is way better and fair than democracy, while human-rights wise democracy is way better than communism or any other system.

so, a good kind of government would have:

1) democratic voting system, and apply all human rights

2) a superior education system that ensures the country is retard-free coz basically that is what fucks up the voting system (also, a voting "test" should be applied... you have to go through a test when you're at voting age.. and if you pass... you can vote.. if u fail.. then u're not eligible to voting.. you'd take the test again next year (this way villagers and simple-people either dont vote... or they qualify themselves for the exam and then have the ability to vote)

3) government should fight monopoly, and should govern the work of banks.. to protect the economy from the inflation banks cause.. and to ensure fair-chances for small businesses in competition with large ones.

4) any process of any kind (laws, actions towards foreign countries...etc) should be approved from the congressmen (parliament members) and the president should not have absolute power

5) dissolution of "parties" as this puts certain ideas into action (republican, democratic, green...etc) and deprive others from achieving what they want.. while a democratic government should make "ALL people equal".. not "all people equal except those who support the winning party"
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01.05.2010 - 11:20
Marcus
Doit Like Bernie
Written by Zombie on 23.04.2010 at 16:01

Democracy is good for the guarantee of human rights, and to ensure that the governments will always work in favor of the public, s they were brought into office by the public, and they can -easily- lose their position if they dont go by the public's will ..

however, some the democratic system is deeply flawed too, as it gives power to wealthy business through means of monopoly, while ideally a democratic government should ensure that "all people are equal" ... the democratic government lets large businesses take over small ones, and you end up with a country being owned by a few rich motherfuckers (USA being a case). while, in communist type of government for example that would not be an issue, as the government OWNS all the businesses (which means that the PEOPLE own the businesses).. so, economically, communism is way better and fair than democracy, while human-rights wise democracy is way better than communism or any other system.

so, a good kind of government would have:

1) democratic voting system, and apply all human rights

2) a superior education system that ensures the country is retard-free coz basically that is what fucks up the voting system (also, a voting "test" should be applied... you have to go through a test when you're at voting age.. and if you pass... you can vote.. if u fail.. then u're not eligible to voting.. you'd take the test again next year (this way villagers and simple-people either dont vote... or they qualify themselves for the exam and then have the ability to vote)

3) government should fight monopoly, and should govern the work of banks.. to protect the economy from the inflation banks cause.. and to ensure fair-chances for small businesses in competition with large ones.

4) any process of any kind (laws, actions towards foreign countries...etc) should be approved from the congressmen (parliament members) and the president should not have absolute power

5) dissolution of "parties" as this puts certain ideas into action (republican, democratic, green...etc) and deprive others from achieving what they want.. while a democratic government should make "ALL people equal".. not "all people equal except those who support the winning party"


I don't wanna sound like an ass (just trying to join in the discussion) but 2 and 5 are impossible. I agree that education is great but the idea of a voting test undermines the principle of democracy; "villagers" and other "poor" people would be underrepresented in government making the country led by the wealthy (or at least wealthier). And parties will always exist, people naturally will group with others who share similar ideas, or in this case ideology.
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19.10.2010 - 06:09
Zombie
Thrash'tillDeath


notice the map is dated 2001, BEFORE the occupation of Iraq (now i guess Iraq would be labeled dark red)

(and notice the countries without us troops; north korea, iran, libya, sudan, ... no wonder the US media portrays these countries as the axis of evil)

PS: In Egypt there more than 8 military bases that i know of !
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19.10.2010 - 10:47
Ellrohir
Heaven Knight
And what does this image show?

Czech rep. is marked as country with US soldiers presence but i dont fucking know about any...maybe there are one or two experts is some army systems aiding our army somehow...or more likely some staff members to coordinate with NATO...and what?

there should be US soldiers (more likely "persons paid by US DoD") in Russia and China? what the...?
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